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Okay, Viper, Dette er min egen ide, så la oss se om du er enig i den... hehehe

http://board.origin.ogame.de/board6-orig…a-with-balance/


Okay, we have had this dicusion before, but here's some new ideas...
I know that IPMs are very powerful, but they are also very expencive and the storage sucks.
If the storage could at least be dobble of ABM, it would help a lot. To balance that: Yes the IPMs are very powerfull, and make a lot of damage, so since the damage after a missile attack is so big, it takes 24/48 hours to rebuild 70% of the defence that got damage in the missile attack. 30% dies, just like after an attack. That way the IPMs are still powerfull, but it doesn't take down the defence for ever. As it is today, you rarely have the chance to use IPMs, and I think that the general idea, was that they were supposed to be used....
I don't think that many players uses IPM just to destroy the defence to another player - they use them to get to the fleet and ress, that's just laying there...
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24h/48h for defensive reparation, destroyed by misslesattacks sounds much better. I would increase the damages but temporaly.

But there is something I would change. The attacked one needs time for reparations + constructing new ABM's. An idle time to attack with new rockets the same enemy would be nice. If I would be attacked and needed around 24-36h to repair anything my enemy could freeze me about a long time.
Maybe also 24h/48h.

Yours sincerely
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I can of course only say yes to increased damage, since I am a fleeter by heart And since it is temp, it would balance the cost of the IPM much more, than it does today.

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But there is something I would change. The attacked one needs time for reparations + constructing new ABM's. An idle time to attack with new rockets the same enemy would be nice. If I would be attacked and needed around 24-36h to repair anything my enemy could freeze me about a long time.
Maybe also 24h/48h.

I not quite sure I undersatnd what you mean here..
It is ONLY the defence taken out witt missiles, that has the rebuildning time of 24/48 hours. The defence taken out by the fleet is rebuilded right away, as it is to day - and the defender can build new abm, the second the storage is empthy, as he can today. The same goes for new defence. But it takes time, to build both abm and defence, just like it takes time to build new IPS, so the missil attack has to be right before the attack hits ( which is the normal thing to do anyway, I guess).
Why I want the delay of rebuilding, is of course, to have the opportunity for one or more follow ups, without the need of the same amount of IPMs, to make that second attack.
The defence that's normaly taken out, is the plasma - the rest of the defence is often a lot easier to get through.

Even though I am a fleeter by heart, I actualy thinks that the allowed 5 follow ups, are toooo many. 2 or 3 would be more that enough - in my oppinion.
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it takes 24/48 hours to rebuild 70% of the defence that got damage in the missile attack

Do your mean livetime reparation or all at once after that time?
I thought i could be possible to use missles to take the defence out of the way for a long time.
If I understand what you mean I could use missiles to attack all 24 or 48 hours to attack a remaining defence of 30%.
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hhhmmm not sure I understand what you mean.... It's certainly not easy to communicate, when so few of us has the Englsh language as the native language..
Lifetime?
What I mean, is that the defence taken out by missiles, will rebuild is self within 24/48 houres - If you take out all defence by missiles, all of the 70 % defence it rebuild after 24/48 hours. Normaly you don't take out the whole defence, just some of it, and normaly the plasma turrets.
The remaining defence after the missil attack, you have to fight, as you do today - with your combat fleet. And 70% of the remaining defence, will rebuild it self, as it does today.
With the plama turrets + what ever of the other defence what goes down from the missil attack, out of the way for 24/48 hours - you have 24/48 hours to do xxx attack with less defence. That should be enough time to make one or two follow ups...
So... what's rebuild is:
70% from the missile atttack, and the rebuild starts after 24/48 hours - and is reduild right away after those 24/48 hours
70% from the combat fleet attack is rebuild right away, as it is today.

Du har tydeligvis ikke lest hva jeg skrev. IPM er VELDIG powerfull i dag, ja! Men med økte lager for IPM og redesert pris, så er balancen jo at de blir mindre powerfull... Les før du sier det er bullshitt.

Jeg synes det er veldig unfair, at IPM er mer enn dobelt så dyre som AMB. Og du har kun lagerplass til halvparten.

Så IPM er neste useless...
Hva skal man med 30 IPM når man skal opp imot et forsvar som dette:

Defence:
Rocket Launcher: 6.000
Light Laser: 5.000
Heavy Laser: 250
Ion Cannon: 150
Gauss Cannon: 50
Plasma Turret: 200
Small Shield Dome: 1
Large Shield Dome: 1
Anti-Ballistic Missiles: 60

Hvis lagere er minst dobbelt av ABM og prisen er halvparten av AMB, så skal du fortsatt ha en ganske så stor flåte for å trenge igjennom resten av forsvaret. Og når 70% forsvaret etter missil attack blir rebuildet igjen - etter 24/48 timer, så er det en bra balance for økt kapasitet og nedsettelse av prisen.

Jada, jeg skjønner alt dette. Men Da kan du like godt fjerne abm og ipm, for det er useless som det er i dag.
Hvis ipm blir mindre powerfull, så mister ikke mineren alt om man er flere som tar acs + alt forsvar ut. På denne måten for han tilbake 70% av forsvaret, som ble tatt av missiler. (For å legge historie bak det, så kan du si at forsvaret ble så skadet av missilene, at de trenger nye reservedeler, og det tar 24/48 timer å fremskaffe.) Det gjør han IKKE i dag, hvis vi er mange nok til å ta alt hans forsvar ut.
Så vel, som forslaget at flåte vender tilbae, så vender også forsvar tilbake her.
Noe det ikke gjør for noen av delene i dag.

Og selv om jeg hadde forsvar, ville jeg fortsatt gjerne ha hatt tilbake 70% av mitt forsvar, hvis noen tokk asc og slettet alt mitt forsvar. Jeg har jo forsvar i uni 1, og det ville da være veldig godt om 70% kom tilbake.

Hele poenget er jo at forsvaret retunere. Ellers så er jeg enig med deg - da blir IPM alt for powerfull, om man for dobbelt lager i forhold til abm, samtiding med at prisen redusres. Så hvis du ikke har noen formening om det at forsvaret retunere, så er dette jo en diskusjon på feil premisser.

Poenget her er jo at pr i dag er IPM og ABM mer eller mindre useless. De utligner hver andre for mye, til at det er noen vist i å ha dem i spillet.
Pr i dag er det nesten ikke muligt å trenge gjennom det forsvaret, som jeg la inn i første post. Dette er et forsvar fra uni 4. Selv om Scary og Sod ganget opp sammen, så ville det blir mye tap for oss likevel. Det ligger ikke så gedigen stor flåte, men masse ress - og han er nå inaktiv - høyst sannsynlig fordi det å spiller som turtle ble for kjedeligt. Ingen utfordringer...

Herre gud, da... Du leser jo ikke, hva det handler om....

TDF.... tatt ut av kontekst... Igjen...
Poenget er jo at forsvaret returnere!!! Dermed REDUSERE du den overlegne power IPM har...

Hehehe TFD, Skjønner jo det, men jeg irritere meg grønn på turtles - de suger som spillere. Helst ville jeg jo ha 3 dobbelt lager av IPM til 1/3 av prisen på ABM... Og at forsvaret forble dødt. Men det ville jo være uretferdigt. Miner er bra i spillet, men turtles suger... De bare fylder opp plasser for andre spillere, for de spiller jo helt alene.
Så for å få litt fart i bruken av IPM, forslog jeg at det kunne rebuildes.
Som det er nå, kan IPM kun brukes på inaktive, siden man ikke kan ha så mange på lager og må produsere nye etterhvert som man sender - og det nytter jo ikke på en aktiv - da brygge han bare nye abm, før man er ferdig med neste runde av IPM. Med et lager på 30-35 ipm, skal det litt tid til å bygge nok ipm til å ta ut 60 abm og 200 tårn...
Det er derfro jeg mener at IPM/ABM er useless i spillet i dag. Kunne like gjerne være foruten - på aktive spillere.